I have a family member who every chance he gets sends me and my husband literature on becoming "born again" - he has been to our church and complains that we are to "ornate", "liberal", and not "Bible believing"... I have been dealing with this for years now by remaining calm and simply saying things along the lines of: "you have your beliefs and I have mine." However frankly now he is making me quite angry! He has gotten it in his head that Episcopalians are actually practicing Wicca under the disguise of Christianity. I assume he gets this b/c my church has a may pole dance every year and we remember our ancestors a little to close to Halloween for his liking (just two examples). I have friends who are Wiccan (and I have studied Wicca as well as other religions) so I'm offended at the way he calls Wiccans demon worshipers (ironic b/c their traditions have nothing to do with demons) and now he is telling people that we are witches and he has even written letters to our priest! Is fundamentalism a mental illness? Any advice?
How are Episcopalians supposed to deal with this type of thing? "You are not saved!" is the line he writes to anyone who does not think like him and has said to us in the past - is there a good way to handle that accusation? This is not someone I have to deal with on a daily basis (thank God) but it is a problem that has been bothering me for some time now! Any advice/thoughts you want to share would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Ayshah
How are Episcopalians supposed to deal with this type of thing? "You are not saved!" is the line he writes to anyone who does not think like him and has said to us in the past - is there a good way to handle that accusation? This is not someone I have to deal with on a daily basis (thank God) but it is a problem that has been bothering me for some time now! Any advice/thoughts you want to share would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Ayshah
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Re: Advice please on dealing with Christian Fundamentalists?
Thu, June 29, 2006 - 7:12 PMI'm not sure that fundamentalism is a mental illness. The person having those extreme views may have mental illness,who knows? But, people need something to hold onto. They,in general, need to believe in something, to have faith so they feel they belong to something greater than themselves, so that they are not alone. Unfortunately,some people take those beliefs to an aggressively extreme length and try to force their beliefs on others. They tend to have a superiority complex, thinking their beliefs make them better than those who do not share their thoughts and ideas. Now, how do you deal with someone who is in your face telling you that you are not saved? Smack him in the face...HARD. Just kidding! I think you could tell him that you understand that he has strong feelings about his faith, but you also have strong feelings about your faith. Tell him that if he chooses to be overly aggressive to the point of harrassment, then perhaps you two have nothing more to say to eachother. That's it. Over. I realize it is family and you will see him occasionally. But, you do not have to socialize. Keep your distance. Avoid eye contact. Just know in your heart that you accept him for who he is, whether or not you support his views. If he cannot accept who you are despite his difference in views, you have nothing more to say. Conversation will only cause you both upset. Just let it be.
Well, that's my advice,Ayshah. I hope it helps a little. Or maybe gives you a different point of view.
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Re: Advice please on dealing with Christian Fundamentalists?
Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:57 PMExcellent advice! I had to make the difficult decision to cut off all contact with my fundie family because It is simply impossible to reason with unreasonable people. Although it makes me a bit sad sometimes, I do not regret this decision because my life has much less strife and strain ever since. -
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Re: Advice please on dealing with Christian Fundamentalists?
Thu, July 6, 2006 - 4:37 AMWe are coming to this conclusion as well... It is very very sad but it does seem to be what is best for us. I will write you an e-mail b/c there are some things I do not want to post in public.
Thank you for sharing this,
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Re: Advice please on dealing with Christian Fundamentalists?
Fri, July 7, 2006 - 12:19 AMI grew up in a fundamentalist environment, which only became more extreme during my late adolescence and early adulthood. It never sat very well with me. I broke away from it in stages -- first by becoming a conservative evangelical Presbyterian, and later by becoming an Episcopalian. In the Episcopal Church, as an extension of the Anglican tradition, I perceive that Christ's work is being done. Jesus was not a purveyor of social boundaries and hate. He always drew the larger circle and took within it the outcasts, the poor, the diseased, the marginalized -- even (gasp!) women. That's what the Episcopal Church is all about -- for the most part.
What can you say to fundamentalists? Maybe gently remind them of what they could learn if they carefully read the Bible -- that Jesus was a party animal with sinners, that he invited the sinless to cast the first stone, that he told us to care for the poor and the prisoner, that he told us to give it all away (not take Visa cards over televangelistic telethons), and that the fundamentalists of his day were the ones he decried -- the Pharisees.
Hang in there. With all its problems (and its burgeoning schism over a gay bishop and a female presiding bishop), the Episcopal Church honestly tries to grapple with the truth of Christ's message and live it in the real world. -
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Re: Advice please on dealing with Christian Fundamentalists?
Fri, July 7, 2006 - 12:32 AMFurther to that, the concept of being "saved" is a legalistic formulation. There is nothing in the Bible, including the New Testament, that requires recitation of certain incantations (e.g., Campus Crusade's "Four Spritual Laws") before one can be considered part of the eternally elect. Belief as subscription to dogma is, I think, a poor substitute for trying to do something to help people around us in their real-world situations.
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Re: Advice please on dealing with Christian Fundamentalists?
Fri, July 7, 2006 - 6:08 AMThank you so much.... What you wrote is VERY helpful to me.
Peace be with you,
Ayshah
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